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Scattered Thoughts on Hawaiian Soveriegnty

by Ed Puntin
(Ocean View, Ka'u, Hawaii)

As a haole Hawaiian off and on since 1967, here's my .02.

Yes, certainly Hawaii was stolen. So was most of the rest of the US in various ways, many far more nasty than what happened here in 1898. Doesn't make it "right", but I think I can make a clear case for its being perfectly "normal".

Every people of the world has been subjugated. It happened here plenty before whites arrived. We have the proof right here; there are pali on every island with the impacted remains and oral stories of the losers being pushed off as a "final solution" to some local tiff, or to Kamehameha's "uniting".

When the whites first arrived there was still plenty of resentment among Hawaiians about Kamehameha. A lot of people didn't want to be part of a larger group, instead feeling that their valley or island was best left alone. So should we also be shooting for Molokai's sovereignty? How 'bout Ka'u, especially since we down here are fond of saying that we have never been subjugated by anyone? We could arm wrestle to be chief of Kahuku.

In the illnesses and mass death that followed whites coming, Hawaiians united. Same with all tribes anywhere that used to fight among themselves when threatened with a larger "outside" force. When there are only a few left, you unite for survival and bury the local hatchets. The same thing happened on Rapa Nui when they were down to around 100 people. Before that, killing each other was "normal". Just like here. Those sacrificial Heeau were not built by IG Farben in WWII, but by those ancient Hawaiians-the same people so peacefully remembered in gentle song.

Many Hawaiians lament our urbanization, and assert that "Hawaiian leaders" wouldn't have done that, that there would be no condos, freeways etc". That hauntingly beautiful Izzy song is famous for asking "how would they feel"? Well, let them talk for themselves; the Iolani palace was the first seat of ANY government in the WORLD to have electric power. Yeah, before The White House or 10 Downing St. It was put there by those same royals some Hawaiians rosily say would have rejected it as "not Hawaiian enough". Seems the facts don't agree with the assertions. They like technology just fine.

Folks, we are ALL guilty of transgressions like this if you go back a few generations. But what do we do now is the SOLE question. Are we going to be better off without the US? And I do mean "we", you aren't getting me off of this rock alive. I've been here longer, cleaned up as much of it as any of you have, and consider myself native, only a little paler than most.

Which brings up the final point, what is a Hawaiian? Is it someone blond and blue eyed, like the lovely girl in Ka'u who earnestly told me last month how "her people" had been robbed? Well which ones robbed who, sweetie? The Hawaiians who gave you those beautiful cheekbones and lithe shape, or the Nordics who donated your equally lovely hair and eyes? Exactly who took what from whom?

Personally I feel happy to be a Hawaiian, and while I don't like the US government much right now, its still the best one I've seen and I've been pretty nearly everywhere. So when we create this new monarchy do I just get pushed off the pali? Does the blond girl? Do YOU?

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Sep 13, 2008
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Good thoughts
by: David

I myself am blond with green eyes, and consider myself a Hawaiian even though I have no KOKO(Blood). I am Hanai by three families, and I feel like I am a vital part of the culture here.

If we achieve sovereignty, I don't it will be because the US recognizes any of the laws they broke.

I think it will be because we will stand together, as Hawaiians, to create something better.

Education is the weapon of choice I use here.

Educating both the American, and the full blooded Hawaiian.

Teaching the American that Hawaii was not some backwards group of savages, but a sophisticated culture with world recognition as its own country.

Teaching the Hawaiian to appreciate the ability to share Manan`o, even if you don't always agree with someone. Also showing how important forgiveness is.

I hope as this site grows, a path will emerge, for recognizing the place Hawaii could hold, as a light shining around the world, of how life could be.

Apr 27, 2009
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Savages?
by: Robert

And, I don't know where all this "Savage idealism" is coming from, but Americans do not, and have never viewed Hawaiians as "savages."
Maybe if you ever got off this rock, you would see that...

E PLURBUS UNUM: out of many, one.
We are ALL AMERICANS.

I don't think we should be complaining about such a blessing. And I am sorry if you don't agree with me on that statement.

May 03, 2010
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Savages? Let's get real.
by: Tane

Robert should look back in history. Hawaiians were called all sorts of names and savages was one used by U.S. Americans. The racist U.S. WASP society still practices its manifest destiny doctrines. Since 1095, the Papal Bulls created this imagery and when religions broke from the Catholic church, they took these doctrines with them. Non-whites were considered sub-human and Europe adopted the belief that they were ordained by God to commit atrocities for their pecuniary benefit being superior to all races. World history reveals a lot about the shift of power and the abuses. Today, the U.S. is still dealing with its racism problems. We still remember the Massie Case and the double-standards used in American justice. So far, the U.S. cannot produce a lawful treaty of annexation. This means the Kingdom of Hawai'i still existed albeit under the U.S. belligerent occupation. The Ku'e Petitions of 1897 tells us that the Hawaiian subjects rejected any annexation to the U.S.

Jun 05, 2010
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American Girl
by: A Girl From Georgia

When I think of Hawaii, I think of a beautiful American Treasure. Is that wrong? Should I not think of it as a part of my country? Do Hawaiians not think of themselves as Americans?

Until I read this thread, I did not even know that Hawaiians pondered thoughts of sovereignty. The first thought that comes to my mind is, What about a war? I'd sure like to have America's military. Just saying.

Anyway, I'm black. I happen to know exactly what the "white man" did to "my people". But the truth is, America is not what it once was and it cannot be summed up by The White Man. Quite honestly, there are so many significant races, including Hawaiian that I really think one race cannot be separated from another. Too many cultures and ideas have intertwined and I think we are better for it. From what I understand, just for being Native Hawaiian/Indian/Alaskan there are numerous scholarships and Grants that allow them to go to college for practically free.

What happened to United We Stand, Divided We Fall? How will the flag look with only 49 stars (lol)?

I feel like Americans get enough hateration from Abroad... can we not have some unity and peace on the home front?

Isn't our current President a Hawaiian Native? I don't know the last time a President was from Georgia!

Nov 25, 2010
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Community
by: longboard74

The fact is that The United States did without the peoples will take Hawaii. The problem with taking something is there is no real contribution to the community. I can already here the rifle squad load but here me out. An Americans sense of contribution is not the same as a Native of Hawaii, Nor the word Community. Because roads are built and cars brought over and electric ......(the list is long I know this) does not reflect positive change as a whole. A hospital is great don't get me wrong but don't for a moment think before all these "little gifts" they were unhappy. They were one of the first cultures to have Idle time and activities for just fun...Surfing is very old and proof that they knew have to cut away from work and get back to nature! take not business guys and gals.
They were a part of a community and still are and don't like there land being destroyed for development...they call this destruction and I agree. if we had a better relationship with the earth we may live a better life. Think about what your concept of community is
Mahalo

Nov 29, 2010
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Put it in the correct context
by: Tane

Hawaii received its sovereign recognition as an independent nation-state internationally beginning in 1843 after it reformed its style of government in 1839. U.S.A. coverrt activities manifested overtly in 1887 and escalated with its unlawful invasion and belligerent occupation in 1893 thereby breaking its treaties of friendship; comity, navigation, and as a favored nation. This is the crux of the matter dealing with the friendy, neutral nation of the Hawaiian Kingdom and the U.S.A. In 1897, the Ku'e Petitions reflected the will of the people. Congress rejected the treaty of Annexation and powers within the u.s. Government sought to use their domestic law called the Newlands Resolution as binding. Under international laws this is unlawful and have no effect on a foreign nation. It's great that Americans take pride in and love for their country. Why deny the Hawaiian subjects the same of their country? Like the U.S., Hawaii wasn't a perfect utopia; but it is ours. By right, the U.S. must de-occupy Hawai'i.

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